Meeting/15 July 2006
IRC Discussion Logs - 15 July 2006 (12:00 noon EDT)
IRC Meeting Logs (15 July 2006) 12:00 EDT
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:51:02] <barney_> Hey Kreug
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:52:43] <Kreuger> hey
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:53:31] <Kreuger> I thought that was really odd
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:53:37] <Kreuger> absolutely no one in here
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:54:45] <kinetix63> afternoon gents :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:54:56] <barney> excellent
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:55:14] <kinetix63> no bulio yet?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:55:19] <barney> well... it isn't quite 12 noon yet
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:55:24] <barney> not yet
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:55:27] <kinetix63> this is true.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:56:15] <barney> let me pop over th neowin chat for a second and see if anyone is there
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:56:17] <Kreuger> hello
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:56:29] <Kreuger> im in there
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:56:47] <Kreuger> don't recognize anyone that's been involved so far
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:57:16] <barney> no one on Neowin,,,, good
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:57:29] <barney> Hello all!
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:57:36] <Kreuger> all three of us? :p
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:57:40] <barney> let's wait a sec
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:57:55] <Kreuger> hey barney, you're pretty familar with xchat right?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:57:57] <barney> Bulio and MarkJensen is supposed to be here
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:58:10] <barney> somewhat
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:58:36] <Kreuger> under the list of users in the room, there's a little blue line thing after a while it seems to grow bigger, somewhat like a progress bar. any idea what it is?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:58:43] <kinetix63> I just messaged Bulio on MSN... we'll see if he responds..
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:58:56] <barney> no.... I was wondering that too
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:59:06] <barney> I'm such a noob at IRC
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:59:17] <barney> thanks, Paul
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:59:22] <AxS_> yeah, what is that blue line?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [11:59:47] <Kreuger> hmm
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:03] <barney> maybe the time before your computer blows up?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:09] <barney> :)
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:16] <Kreuger> I hope not
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:18] <AxS_> I don't have long then!
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:22] <barney> Hi Dean
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:24] <Kreuger> jees one year on a computer? that's not too good
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:32] <deanobear63> hi guys
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:35] <Kreuger> howdy
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:48] <Kreuger> I guess it really is true, they don't make technology products like they used to
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:00:56] <AxS_> If you mouse over it, mine s reports the lag
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:10] <barney> hmmmm... interesting
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:23] <barney> I see
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:23] <bulio|zZz]> I'm here
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:26] <bulio|zZz]> :P
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:27] <Kreuger> ah yes, "Neowin send queue"
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:29] <barney> slacker
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:40] <kinetix63> hurray!
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:52] <Kreuger> I guess that's probably everyone then or shall we wait a bit more
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:01:55] <barney> Ok..... let's get this thing started
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:04] * kinetix63 makes a quick dash for a coke
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:10] <barney> I want to bring everyone up to speed again
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:12] <barney> first
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:14] <bulio> ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:27] <barney> then Bulio can talk about his ideas
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:38] <barney> he is the real developer here
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:02:43] <barney> with you guys
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:04] <barney> First, we ar going to be hosted on the Ipodcast
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:07] <barney> this weekend
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:21] <barney> so we'll get the work out
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:34] <bulio> I though we record on the podcast on monday?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:41] <barney> I guess that Bulio and I will be the projects designated windbags
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:45] <barney> yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:48] <barney> that is correct
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:49] <Kreuger> haha windbags
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:56] <barney> :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:58] <bulio> :P
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:03:59] <deanobear63> :S
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:04:05] * kinetix63 giggles
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:04:17] <Kreuger> interesting choice of wording barney ;)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:04:39] <barney> Second, we have a lot of design stuff that is going to be needed since our Logo and graphics design has been chosen
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:04:41] <kinetix63> I agree - lay off the beans!
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:04:45] <barney> :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:04:57] <deanobear63> well it's 2am...i can start a bit later ;-)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:02] <barney> we need to update our websites, add things, etc
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:17] <barney> the design rocks!
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:33] <barney> Next, Bulio has set up a SVN account
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:35] <bulio> yeah
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:43] <kinetix63> barney did we decide which of the 2 versions of that logo were going to be used? 2 were submited by Glass...
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:45] <barney> he'll talk about that in a minute
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:05:47] <Kreuger> yay bulio, save us from SF
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:14] <barney> yeah..... the arrows that point to make an "S"
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:26] <barney> do you know which I mean?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:26] <kinetix63> okay cool.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:30] <kinetix63> yes, the second one, hehehe.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:35] <AxS_> linux, neowin made
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:36] <barney> right
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:41] <kinetix63> with the arrows pointing outwards, rather than in.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:50] <Kreuger> yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:06:54] <barney> we still need Log buttons and boot screen with that design
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:07:22] <Kreuger> the rest can be set as splash screens and the user can set their choice, right?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:07:24] <kinetix63> If someone wants to knock up the graphics, I'm happy to do the relevant work to get it in to the distro.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:07:36] <bulio> I'm holding out from releasing .2.00 because we need a boot screen logo
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:07:43] <barney> now... for today's meeting, we need to discuss the second release and other general developer stuff
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:07:44] <bulio> and a few grphics
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:08:01] <barney> like GPL packages, nonm-GPL packages
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:08:07] <barney> and who is going to do what
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:08:33] <barney> spotlight to Bulio, et al
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:08:58] <barney> that is your cue... Bulio
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:09:08] <bulio> ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:09:16] <barney> :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:09:21] <bulio> well first off, we need to customize synaptic
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:09:33] <kinetix63> In what way?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:09:37] <bulio> so that users have a bunch of different custom forms of shift
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:02] <bulio> ie: Clicking on a multimedia option would start downloading and installing a full multimedia sysem
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:04] <Kreuger> is there any way to skin synaptic/modify it's icons, etc
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:18] <bulio> whereas choosing a server install would download and install server tools
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:40] <bulio> that way we don't package everything under the sun, and keep releases small and customizable
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:40] <deanobear63> the icons in synaptic can be changed... a guy on ubuntuforums has made a script
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:49] <Kreuger> cool, I'll take a look
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:10:53] <barney> great Dean
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:11:01] <kinetix63> I think the quickest way to do that is to simply set up several different repo's. One for server, one for multimedia, etc etc.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:11:19] <Kreuger> yeah Paul that's probably the best way
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:11:58] <AxS_> where are the repos being hosted?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:11] <kinetix63> I don't think we actually have any hosting for those yet.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:15] <bulio> kinetix63: its gonna download off debian's repos
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:24] <barney> One thing that needs to be mentioned, we probably need to keep any questionable packages (non-GPL) off of our CD
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:30] <Kreuger> we should use ubuntu's repos, more recent
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:31] <bulio> kinetix63: we will have a neowin repository setup for our scripts, themes and widgets
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:39] <barney> and just have the user download it separately
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:46] <bulio> barney: agreed. If a package doesn't come with gpl, we don't use it
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:47] <AxS_> barney: agreed
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:12:50] <MrA2> I don't think multiple repos for multimedia/server/etc groups is the way to go.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:13:00] <bulio> Kreuger: not sure if it'll work, I gotta test
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:13:04] <bulio> ^^Why not?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:13:06] <kinetix63> MrA2: what do you think IS the best way to go?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:13:39] <MrA2> the curently 'proper' way to do this is using meat-packages. i.i packages consisting of just dependencies
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:13:51] <MrA2> using multiple repos just fragments the package set
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:13:59] <MrA2> *meta-packages, stupid typo
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:02] <Kreuger> we're doing this -our- way for -our- distro :P
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:02] <kinetix63> good point. I agree with you there.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:16] <bulio> I'm thinking of this
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:24] <MrA2> I realize that, but multiple repos in this case is just a bad idea
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:26] <bulio> has everyone seen how packages get on to Shift?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:35] <kinetix63> yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:38] <Kreuger> not me
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:14:58] <MrA2> me neither, but I assume it's just a debian repo
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:15:03] <bulio> http://www.shift.willsdownloads.com/branches/testing/Build-Files/Neowin.xml
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:15:14] <bulio> if we did that, but for multiple versions
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:15:29] <bulio> ie: there would be a multimedia version, so all kinds of players would be included
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:15:29] <Kreuger> oh right, I have seen it
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:15:36] <bulio> then a base, with comes with bre essentials
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:15:48] <bulio> and a server, which comes with server tools and apache
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:16:14] <AxS_> meta-packages might keep things a little cleaner, Ubuntu still effetcively uses meta packages e.g. xubuntu-desktop for different window managers
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:16:25] <bulio> yeah
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:16:32] <Kreuger> are we going to include all the regular stuff you need to compile such as gcc?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:16:38] <bulio> if we could have someone who handles the packages
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:16:40] <bulio> ^^Yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:16:54] <bulio> ^^Then they can figure out what should be included in each version
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:07] <kinetix63> Bulio, are you going to be the designated "meta-package" maintainer? :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:24] <bulio> I'll try :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:27] <barney> I was thinking Paul could lead that
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:32] <barney> if he wants
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:35] <bulio> I need someone to test fluxbox today
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:36] <AxS_> Is it possible to use the Ubuntu repositories? Would it be preferable to Debian's?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:37] <kinetix63> I don't mind doing that.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:56] <kinetix63> Is there any real benefit in using Ubuntu's over Debian's?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:17:58] <bulio> ^^I'll test
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:10] <bulio> Can someone edit the xml file to use fluxbox?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:18] <bulio> I need someone to test fluxbox, and see if it works
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:24] <bulio> PM me if you want to know what to do
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:25] <barney> Bulio, I think you have a lot on your plate... can Paul and Kreuger help with package management?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:27] <AxS_> Ubuntu's packages are generally more up to date, but still well tested
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:46] <bulio> AxS_: Think you can look into using ubuntu repos then?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:52] <bulio> edit the xml file
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:56] <Kreuger> I'll do my best to help
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:18:58] <bulio> http://morphix.org
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:01] <bulio> look for the guide
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:05] <AxS_> I'll see what can be done
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:08] <barney> good
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:18] <bulio> if you just change the xml file and build it
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:22] <barney> Mark Jensen was supposed to be here also
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:31] <bulio> ok, this is what I need done right now by some people here
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:33] <barney> he must have gotten held up
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:46] <Kreuger> I'll see if he's online
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:53] <AxS_> I'm thinking, the Ubuntu repos include all the propietary stuff nicely packaged, which could be very useful
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:19:53] <deanobear63> kreuger... i need to register my nick before i can send you that link
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:06] <bulio> 1. I need someone to test fluxbox, so if interested, PM me and i'll tell you what to do
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:07] <Kreuger> you can send it here I think
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:23] <deanobear63> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185192&highlight=orange
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:28] <bulio> 2. I need someone to test using ubuntu repositories by editing the xml file and building the iso
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:33] <Kreuger> thanks
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:35] <bulio> oops, wrong color :X
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:38] <bulio> 2. I need someone to test using ubuntu repositories by editing the xml file and building the iso
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:46] <deanobear63> HOWTO: Improve orange Dapper look
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:49] <MrA2> 2. I can do
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:50] <deanobear63> look for that... its in there
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:20:51] <bulio> can anyone work on these 2 projects?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:03] <AxS_> I can work on 2
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:09] <Kreuger> I use Kubuntu though :P but it still might help
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:12] <barney> MrA2 will tackle #2
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:17] <Kreuger> mark is trying to come in
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:21] * kinetix63 will be back in a sec
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:22] <barney> (that sounds nasty)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:22] <AxS_> ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:26] <bulio> ok
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:33] <bulio> MrA: I'll PM you instreuctions
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:39] <bulio> markjensen: yay!
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:39] <barney> yay, Mark
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:44] <markjensen> hey guys
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:47] <bulio> hey
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:49] <deanobear63> hiya
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:52] <Kreuger> hey
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:21:55] <barney> we've been bashing you
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:00] <barney> :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:04] <markjensen> lol not surprised ;)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:04] <bulio> ok, as I was saying, mark, I build the distro using this script:
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:25] <MrA2> great. my nick on neowin is MrA, without the 2, for reference
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:32] <bulio> http://www.shift.willsdownloads.com/branches/testing/Build-Files/Neowin.xml
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:36] <bulio> ^^Ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:45] <bulio> markjensen: look at that file
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:22:58] <bulio> I use a command to build that and download all repos
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:23:41] <bulio> MrA2: check query
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:24:24] <markjensen> ok, I am looking at it, but I have never built a distro before, so I just assume this collects and builds all pacakges in the list
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:24:39] <bulio> yeah
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:24:51] <bulio> downloads and builds those debian packages
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:24:55] <bulio> as a module
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:25:10] <bulio> then I use a command to put the module in the morphix base iso, and boom, we have our distro
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:26:06] <bulio> so it looks like htis
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[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:26:15] <bulio> mmaker neowin.xml neowin.mod
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:26:32] <mitch00> hey guys, sorry I'm late, jsut got home from the gym
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:26:35] <bulio> isomaker /path/to/neowin.mod /path/to/base-iso /path/to/output.iso
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:26:46] <barney> that's fine Mitch
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:27:10] <Kreuger> hey mitch
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:27:26] <bulio> Ok, MrA2 is working on testing ubuntu repostories now
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:27:35] <bulio> that leaves who will test fluxbox?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:27:40] <barney> Mark, can you test Flux?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:27:56] <markjensen> sure
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:27:59] <barney> :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:15] <barney> Dean is our documentation guy
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:18] <mitch00> can I be of any service?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:23] <barney> he needs to get what is going on
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:31] <bulio> mark: you run red hat, right?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:32] <barney> so we can post it on our web
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:36] <bulio> well, FC 5
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:28:43] <markjensen> Yes, fedora with flux
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:29:08] <barney> sure mitch... just pipe in when you see something you want to do
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:29:19] <mitch00> sure :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:29:53] <Kreuger> barney would you mind if I help Dean with documentation too?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:29:59] <barney> sure
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:03] <barney> no mind
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:05] <deanobear63> great
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:08] <Kreuger> alright :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:22] <AxS_> what form will documentation take? The infamous wiki?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:34] <barney> I'm up for sugegstions
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:38] <bulio> markjensen: you need to edit that xml file
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:30:57] <bulio> remove all xfce4 entries, and add what fluxbox needs
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:04] <bulio> (in debian package name form)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:18] <markjensen> remove xfce?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:28] <markjensen> or just add flux as an option?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:29] <bulio> then, change the line morphix-init-xfce to morphix-init-fluxbox
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:37] <bulio> that line starts fluxbox automatically
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:42] <bulio> ^^^^Remove xfce
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:31:57] <markjensen> You do realize you are now speakign outside of my experience level.... :-/
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:03] <bulio> :S
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:03] <barney> xfce is our current WM
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:13] <bulio> but we want to make the change over to fluxbox
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:20] <Kreuger> mark: replace xfce from anywhere with flux box ;)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:23] <bulio> which is untested on morphix, so it may npot work
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:26] <Kreuger> in the xml
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:28] <kinetix63> Are we going to change over to fluxbox for 0.2?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:43] <barney> we will try
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:32:48] <barney> if it works
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:05] <MrA2> is a flux theme ready?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:06] <mitch00> maybe keep xfce4 as main, and have fluxbo as an experimental option to choose in gdm or something?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:20] <markjensen> I think having both is fine
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:32] <barney> Bulio, can you give Mark a sample to see, then he can play with it
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:45] <AxS_> Isn't configuration in Flux a problem?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:46] <markjensen> What is the end goal for shift? Flux + xfce + Gnome, or some such?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:33:53] <barney> we can keep both and use Flux when it is up and ready
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:00] <barney> yeah
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:03] <markjensen> what configuration in flux? Flux is very basic
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:06] <bulio> I want to test flux first though
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:06] <Kreuger> with KDE 4 too
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:13] <bulio> ok, mark, look here:
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:14] <mitch00> I thoguht the original goal was to get KDE4
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:20] <mitch00> oops too late
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:22] <bulio> http://www.shift.willsdownloads.com/branches/testing/Build-Files/Neowin.xml
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:33] <barney> Mark: we want to have a "lighter" version and one with KDE and Gnomwe for heftier machines
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:35] <markjensen> I have that still open
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:36] <MrA2> KDE4 isn't ready. I think is should be ignored for now.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:41] <bulio> <packagereq> tells the xml file to download the package from debian repository
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:47] <Kreuger> you're right mra2
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:55] <barney> agreed on KDE4
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:34:57] <AxS_> The menu isn't populated by default on some distros with Flux, I believe
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:35:02] <mitch00> that's why we're working on the light esion now as barney explained correct?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:35:02] <Kreuger> we're using the lightweight wm's til KDE4 is ready, along with gnome
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:35:05] <bulio> markjensen: may I PM?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:35:07] <mitch00> version*
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:35:09] <barney> yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:35:35] <markjensen> sure. Yahoo/MSN/gtalk/even ICQ (ugh)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:36:17] <MrA2> does flux support XDG menus? If not, then it might be good idea to try hacking it in.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:36:22] <kinetix63> Can I suggest that we continue the testing of fluxbox at another time and move the chat forward for now? Last thing we want is to drag that out and for people to have to leave...
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:36:37] <markjensen> The flux menu will be easy to set up, but it will need to be manually adjusted for each release we add/remove packages
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:36:43] <barney> ok.... are you alright with that, Bulio?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:36:59] <barney> ^^yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:37:20] <AxS_> *interrupting* Did we cover what's happening with SVN
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:37:29] <barney> we can let Bulio and Mark hash out the details on Flux
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:37:40] <barney> SVN... not yet
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:37:58] <markjensen> yes, bulio and I can work on flux outside of here
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:38:18] <barney> the SVN account is set up to deposit the diferent versions
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:38:24] <barney> as we get them
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:38:37] <barney> stable, unstable, and untested
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:38:47] <barney> along with various code
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:38:52] Join Jimmy0 has joined this channel (n=james@cpc2-fare1-0-0-cust571.cos2.cable.ntl.com).
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:38:59] <AxS_> ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:39:10] <barney> you guys should be able to access it and use what you need (I think)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:39:24] <bulio> svn is at:
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:39:31] <bulio> shift.willsdownloads.com
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:39:34] <barney> however, stable releases have to be approved by me, Bulio or Fred666
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:39:43] <barney> so we don't mix up versions
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:39:59] <AxS_> are there any rules for how long something is in testing, or whatever?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:05] <barney> or introducing unstable or partial stuff in stable section
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:07] <AxS_> before it's accepted
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:09] <mitch00> until it is stable? :P
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:11] <bulio> yep
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:13] <markjensen> I need to deal with the kids... Catch me on Neowin PM or some such if you need me - bye
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:20] <deanobear63> bye
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:20] <barney> bye
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:40:20] Quit markjensen has left this server ("Leaving").
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:08] <barney> Bulio and I need to complete the version road map
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:14] <bulio> yep
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:16] <barney> and numbering system
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:19] <bulio> great, our flux tester just left
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:27] <bulio> I need someone else to look into how to build that distro
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:31] <bulio> can anyone handle that?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:40] <bulio> then I'll explain what to do from ther
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:43] <barney> he's easy enough to get ahold of
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:44] <AxS_> build what?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:47] <kinetix63> bulio I'll handle that, but I'll do it later this evening or tomorrow if that's okay....
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:51] <bulio> read all the docs of morphix.org
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:41:54] <bulio> ^^No problem
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:06] <bulio> I gotta run out, but now everyhting should be covered
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:15] <mitch00> see ya
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:22] <barney> I'll PM ya
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:30] <kinetix63> bye for now then bulio
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:31] <barney> later this evening
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:35] <AxS_> ciao
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:37] <deanobear63> bye
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:50] <bulio> Ok, I have logged this conversation
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:54] <bulio> where do you want it posted?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:42:55] <barney> Ok.... so lets sum up what we have for now
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:06] <barney> yes
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:13] <barney> where?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:27] <bulio> yeah
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:29] <bulio> wiki?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:31] <barney> ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:38] <kinetix63> I wanted to discuss the bug we've had posted in the tracker quickly....
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:38] <barney> good idea
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:42] <Kreuger> konversation auto logs for me I believe :)
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:44] <barney> ok
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:43:55] <barney> go Paul
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:44:12] <kinetix63> I don't know if anyone's had the chance to look but we've had 1 bug posted - lack of any working help within xfce.
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:44:27] <kinetix63> Should I mark this bug closed as "Won't fix" if we're going to make the move to fluxbox?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:44:35] <bulio> Kreuger: can you post the log then?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:44:48] <mitch00> have you guys gone over the package management issues that was being discussed on the forums?
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:44:49] <bulio> ok, cya around
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:44:49] <Kreuger> yeah I'll have to figure out where exactly it's stored but it shouldnt be hard
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:45:00] <barney> thanks, bulio
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:45:05] <Kreuger> bye
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:45:28] <barney> Paul: let's leave it for now
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:45:41] <barney> as we do not know if Flux will work or not
[Sat Jul 15 2006] [12:45:48] <kinetix63> Good point.
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